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My roommates have been making their way through the middle three Star Trek series (they're not watching ENT like sensible people and I can't convince them to watch TOS, like highly illogical people), and the penny has finally dropped for me that DS9 is in many ways (particularly in the first three seasons) playing off B5, while VOY is playing off Farscape. Or rather, both VOY and Farscape are dealing with very similar setups and issues, but Farscape explicitly goes about dealing with masculinity in a way that VOY just…doesn't, in the initial seasons. Masculinity and its fragility are consistent problems on Voyager, and Janeway and Torres (and to a lesser extent Kes and even Seska) are consistently forced to deal with the problems they cause, but VOY doesn't really do anything about them the way Farscape does; the Star Trek show treats the symptoms rather than the root causes.

In so many ways I'm glad they made DS9 when they did, because they could never make it now, but for VOY it's just the opposite, and I really wish it had been made in this era rather than 20 years ago.

ETA: And of course Stargate: Atlantis is the unification of both these strands of sci-fi: space station + we've been flung to the far side of the [$very large unit of space]. Note, of course, that neither SGA nor VOY could maintain that isolation forever.

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Date: 2016-12-11 02:28 (UTC)
recessional: a small blue-paisley teapot with a blue mug (Default)
From: [personal profile] recessional
I . . .honestly can't fault them on not watching TOS; without existing affection for the series/etc plus nostalgia, it's honestly pretty dire and has not really aged well.

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Date: 2016-12-11 02:44 (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] recessional
I would say if you can convince them that II and IV are worth watching, II just because it's got SO MANY echoes through the rest of even the TV serieses, and IV because it's actually a well-constructed little movie, (and poooossibly III just to fill in that plot point and also because the bit with the crew stealing the spaceship is awesome even if much of the rest is ABSURD), buuuut yeah.

My big problem going back to TOS is that Kirk bored the shit out of me. Everything always worked right for him! And you could tell, in his character. He never got interesting to me until after the events of Khan - after hitting a point where nothing HE could do could stop an outcome he found unacceptable. He became much more interesting to me, and I felt much more likeable as a character, after that.

(This is part of why I like AOS:Kirk more. When he rejects outcomes he doesn't want, he does it knowing full well the universe doesn't give a shit, and that the universe MIGHT WIN, and he's doing it anyway. TOS:Kirk prior to Wrath of Khan does it with the expectation that he'll Just Be Clever Enough To Win.)

/DIGRESSION!!!!