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[livejournal.com profile] naominovik proves once again how awesome she is, and says a number of things much better than I could, in this post, but I would just like to reiterate for myself that outing people in any context, no matter what aspect of a person is being outed, is wrong on many, many ethical and moral levels. A fellow Ole makes an ass of himself in the comments to her post; all I can say is, not all of us are clueless, and some of us who are, are at least trying to rectify our ignorance, and the world. But some people apparently don't change.

At this point in my life I am very much one sf/f fan in the crowd, but even as one fan in the crowd, I can and will re-dedicate myself to reading the genre I love with intent and with ethical awareness, keeping the incipient whitewashing of the genre in the forefront of my mind. I am not a PoC, but I never want to be anything but an ally. If I make an ass of myself along the way (which is very probable, as I am unfortunately in the habit of doing that), so be it, and I welcome any and all respectful criticism; any discomfort I may feel is very much beside the point.

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Date: 2009-03-08 21:41 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This whole thing is case in point why I don't LJ and don't go to forums anymore.

There are a several intelligent people who seemed to stay calm throughout but are now at the point of quitting the internet/fandom because it is a scary place. Or at the very least staying silent because that seems safer.

And a couple I think started out with good intentions but ended up wanting to hurt the way they or their friends had been hurt.

What Shetterly and Kramer did was above and beyond creepy, though. Not just in the outing itself, but their mean-spirited responses to her requests to stop.

http://kate-nepveu.livejournal.com/ and http://vejiicakes.livejournal.com/ both seem to be finding positive things to do in the aftermath, though.

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Date: 2009-04-04 19:54 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookuniverse.livejournal.com
A bit confused by your link to Ansible:
"But some people apparently don't change."
Was there some comment on that page which should've jumped out at me in that context, & I'm just clueless?

Oh, FWIW, I'm here via a link from Naomi Novik's LJ post.

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Date: 2009-04-04 23:20 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starlady38.livejournal.com
At the very end of the Ansible post, there's a (rather hilarious) account of some of K*th3rin3 Cr*m3r's antics at a convention in...1994.

It was mean-spirited of me to link that, I now think after some intervening time and perspective. I should probably take it out.

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