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starladyMany other people have said things I agree with, especially fairestcat, about the bullshit from the WSFS about how AO3 contributors shouldn't refer to ourselves as winners of a tiny fraction of a Hugo Award. The short answer is they're wrong, we are, and we already got our fangirl cooties all over their serious phallic rocket. And they can't change that AO3 did win and we are here; their own fucking members, many of whom are AO3 contributors themselves, voted us the award. Die mad, assholes.
But. I do want to specifically say that the WSFS claims about their trademarks and about U.S. trademark laws are a steaming pile of horseshit. Trademarks are specifically different from copyright and the standards for their use and violation (or "dilution," depending on the case) are in many cases much more stringent. I am not a lawyer, and even I know this. There's a post made on AO3 by a dude who is apparently a trademark lawyer which attempts to obfuscate the specific argument about dilution of trademarks that the WSFS is trying to make, and it's a bunch of unrelated examples that don't apply to this situation. (I also strongly question his professional judgment in making that post; it seems unwise, and he's also specifically not counsel for the WSFS so can't actually comment on specifics.) Furthermore, a trademark cannot be used to compel protected speech (i.e. jokes on Twitter). This is another piece of WSFS' history of overreaching on trademarks, but here's the thing: we don't have to be cowed just because of random dudes making long, serious-seeming posts, even if they have a JD. If there's one thing the OTW and the AO3 have stood for and proved over the past decade and change, it's that we can do things for ourselves. And we can do some pretty amazing things!
I'm not even getting into the fact that as far as I can tell the WSFS has registered its precious trademarks only in the U.S. and the EU (which undoubtedly has different standards for trademarks that I don't know, and I'd bet a good chunk of change the WSFS has no idea about either). Despite the fact that they're allegedly so concerned about these trademarks' dilution, they haven't even registered them in the country hosting the next Worldcon, and they've apparently let them expire in Canada. They're also not registered in Australia, which has hosted Worldcon four times already, the most recent in 2010.
All of which is to say that their claims about this whole kerfuffle being about trademarks are obviously bullshit--Kevin didn't even start mentioning trademarks until the comments on the AO3 news post--but also that merchandise, whether it be pins, T-shirts, badge ribbons, or whatever, using the phrase(s) "Hugo Award(s)" is totally legal in most of the world. Including New Zealand. And that even though they're trying to gatekeep us out of their precious science fiction, we're already inside the gates. And this too shall pass. And in the meantime, we are still all winners of a tiny fraction of a Hugo Award, because we built the AO3 ourselves, whether as volunteers or creators. Here's to us. We're pretty damn awesome.
fairestcat, about the bullshit from the WSFS about how AO3 contributors shouldn't refer to ourselves as winners of a tiny fraction of a Hugo Award. The short answer is they're wrong, we are, and we already got our fangirl cooties all over their serious phallic rocket. And they can't change that AO3 did win and we are here; their own fucking members, many of whom are AO3 contributors themselves, voted us the award. Die mad, assholes.But. I do want to specifically say that the WSFS claims about their trademarks and about U.S. trademark laws are a steaming pile of horseshit. Trademarks are specifically different from copyright and the standards for their use and violation (or "dilution," depending on the case) are in many cases much more stringent. I am not a lawyer, and even I know this. There's a post made on AO3 by a dude who is apparently a trademark lawyer which attempts to obfuscate the specific argument about dilution of trademarks that the WSFS is trying to make, and it's a bunch of unrelated examples that don't apply to this situation. (I also strongly question his professional judgment in making that post; it seems unwise, and he's also specifically not counsel for the WSFS so can't actually comment on specifics.) Furthermore, a trademark cannot be used to compel protected speech (i.e. jokes on Twitter). This is another piece of WSFS' history of overreaching on trademarks, but here's the thing: we don't have to be cowed just because of random dudes making long, serious-seeming posts, even if they have a JD. If there's one thing the OTW and the AO3 have stood for and proved over the past decade and change, it's that we can do things for ourselves. And we can do some pretty amazing things!
I'm not even getting into the fact that as far as I can tell the WSFS has registered its precious trademarks only in the U.S. and the EU (which undoubtedly has different standards for trademarks that I don't know, and I'd bet a good chunk of change the WSFS has no idea about either). Despite the fact that they're allegedly so concerned about these trademarks' dilution, they haven't even registered them in the country hosting the next Worldcon, and they've apparently let them expire in Canada. They're also not registered in Australia, which has hosted Worldcon four times already, the most recent in 2010.
All of which is to say that their claims about this whole kerfuffle being about trademarks are obviously bullshit--Kevin didn't even start mentioning trademarks until the comments on the AO3 news post--but also that merchandise, whether it be pins, T-shirts, badge ribbons, or whatever, using the phrase(s) "Hugo Award(s)" is totally legal in most of the world. Including New Zealand. And that even though they're trying to gatekeep us out of their precious science fiction, we're already inside the gates. And this too shall pass. And in the meantime, we are still all winners of a tiny fraction of a Hugo Award, because we built the AO3 ourselves, whether as volunteers or creators. Here's to us. We're pretty damn awesome.
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Date: 2019-09-24 11:55 (UTC)There are multiple twitters! Because each con gets it's own. Like they don't do the sharing of resources super well...
I seriously don't even think it's the people in charge overall, I think it's like Kevin and maybe three friends + some randoms that were looking on an excuse to hate on Ao3 yet again, because they already did so. There are some clueless smofs, but most of them seemed confused by what was going on rather than angry @ ao3.
But yeah - we won! We make up a significant part of the audience, and while it makes the people who don't like our style of fandom angry - they can die mad for all I care. They're the dying minority.